Jian Yong and Mi Zhu were close friends of Liu Bei, Mi Zhu was in-law who gave money to save Liu Bei, Jiang Yong was an able diplomat, that was why they were given high rank far above their talents. DW has tended to be about warriors and great generals, not so much about friends of ok talent
ok Kong Rong the Confucian Descendent...he was?
Yep. His defence against Yuan Tan could be described as laughable. Personally think Kong Rong had his uses, when he wasn't trying to get himself killed by his superiors, he would make an awesome Special NPC like Xun Yu but a PC?
Liu Feng could argue he had to make a choice but since he went and lost the city anyway by pushing Meng Da into revolt, it was hardly a winning argument. Given the political liability he was to the future of Shu and that your meant to obey your superiors, staying at home was a huge gamble. It failed and he compounded it by stealing Meng Da's stuff and by failing to win the support of the Shen family. Guan Yu's death was due to a number of factors, they differ slightly depending if novel or history but while Liu Feng couldn't have prevented the death, he was not in a position where he could refuse orders
Fu Tong's sgz is three or four lines. I don't think Fu Qian has a bio of his own and is briefly tagged onto Tong's
Chan was a zealot. Nobody, not even Chan, believed Shu could win a fight in Cheng Du, at least not historically which made sense as the army had just got utterly destroyed. The options were to flee and regroup (which Qiao Zhou pointed out, would be a disaster) as suggested by members of the court, make a hopeless stand as Chan suggested or surrender. The people, after ten years of corruption, hated the court (as they had under Liu Bei but was changed by Liang and the other great Ministers), they hated Jiang Wei for the way he exhausted the state. Even later historians believed a fight would be suicidal. Liu Shan was, as those of the era noted and historians agreed with, was a kind man and he could not send thousands of people to their deaths in a massacre. The general thought was that Liu Shan, who seems to have been liked by those under him and brought years of stability, was a mediocre and lazy emperor rather then incompetent. When Liu Bei was ill, Liu Shan was well educated, had spent a year running the country with Liang and had just dealt with a major crises while Liang was with Bei. Liu Bei had executed Liu Feng to secure the throne for Shan so why would he seriously change course now? He had no reason to suppose Shan was incompetent and had Liang attempted to take the throne, it would have thrown Shu into a civil war that would likely have destroyed the kingdom. It seems more likely Liu Bei meant it as a gesture of trust and Liang was wise enough to take it as such, not an invitation to coup. As for Chan, other then his wish to have a massacre committed, we know nothing about him
Of course, the novel changes it. Cheng Du has an army, unnamed officers of ability and the people, despite a decade of corruption, all still love the Han. Liu Shan is turned into a complete idiot and Liu Chan is turned into a man of ability.
You don't have to introduce them all at once, just gradually
fair enough. And if we are going for amusing characters, go for He Man
We probably want to move any Feng/Shan/Chan stuff to the history/novel section. Probably need to start a new topic, I can do that for us if you pm me. Or we can discuss it by pm
