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[Nakasonedevil]

Personally i think its Shingen

[Ma San]

Hanbei Takenaga?.

Shingin was known for being a great samurai, Now Kongming wasn't much of warrior now was he?

[Quentinos]

I think is Monkey. Hideyoshi Toyotomi. Without him, there is no Oda Empire.

[Quentinos]

Ranmaru? but isn't him a personal guard/servant for Nobunaga? and serve not a long term before he can shows his talents and service. then died with Nobunaga in Honnoji's fire. Ranmaru died around 16 or 17 yrs old.

[Blue Faced Beast]

Kuroda Kanbei.

[Nakasonedevil]

hmm, I heard that Takenaka Hanbei was said to be the Zhuge Liang of Sengoku.

[Blue Faced Beast]

It's a matter of opinion really.

[endofdays]

Just because I like to bicker.

Well, the Japanese Liang would have to be a strategist who died failing to achive his empire's dream. I'm not so sure, but I have to choose Ranmaru Mori. He was the son of a strategist, so he was one too, and he died trying to save Nobunaga, who also died.

And the Japanese Sima Yi would most likely be Mitsuhide Akechi. He was also quite the genious, he killed his master when he was weakening inside. Ruined his empire, had a force of his own, and eventualy died. Though that would be the whole Sima Family.

1st: I wasn't aware that being the son of somebody automatically made you a genius. And I also wasn't aware that a (Insert slur right here about Nobunaga and Ranmaru) of Nobunaga's would also be giving him (An already proven strategic genius) military strategies.

2nd: Sima Yi served Cao Cao, Cao Pi, Cao Rui, Cao Fang (None of these were killed/executed/stripped of power by Sima Yi or by his will).
Sima Yi saved the Wei Dynasty by removing the horribly corrupt Cao Shuang(who was probably well on his way to usurping the throne).
In fact here is a well known fact. Sima Yi's GRAND SON was the very first emperor of the Jin Dynasty (IE: He usurped the throne).

Now onto the real part here. I can't honestly say I can really think of a superb strategist during this time period. I can say all of your choices so far haven't been up to par.

[Blue Faced Beast]

I'd also like to point out that Ranmaru did absolutely NOTHING worth noting in the history books besides...being Nobunaga's boyfriend. How was he such a superb strategist??? As for End of Days' comment about none of the choices so far being up to par...you listed no reason as to why Takenaka Hanbei nor Kuroda Kanbei aren't "up to par". Nor did you give your closest semblance to a strategist on par with Zhuge Liang...lame. I believe Nobunaga was a pretty good strategist in his own right (Okehazama anyone? Anegawa?).

[TauCommander]

Ranmaru does not match with neither Zhuge Liang nor Sima Yi.
I'm not sure, there's anyone who can be compared with them. The closest were Kenshin and Shingen (maybe) but they are warriors / samurais as well.

[endofdays]

I'd also like to point out that Ranmaru did absolutely NOTHING worth noting in the history books besides...being Nobunaga's boyfriend. How was he such a superb strategist??? As for End of Days' comment about none of the choices so far being up to par...you listed no reason as to why Takenaka Hanbei nor Kuroda Kanbei aren't "up to par". Nor did you give your closest semblance to a strategist on par with Zhuge Liang...lame. I believe Nobunaga was a pretty good strategist in his own right (Okehazama anyone? Anegawa?).

Zhuge Liang was a crap sub par strategist of no importance imo. I am not some pro Shuist person. Also he really didn't do that much. Zhou Yu, Sima Yi, Fa Zheng, Xu Shu, Pang Tong, Guo Jia, Chen Gong, Tian Feng... Thats my list of strategists in standing of importance.

Now as for the people you yourself listed... Takenaka Hanbei had a strategy that would rate about as low as.... something Zhang Fei would do. How great of a strategy is... "He served the Saito clan of Mino province, but later plotted an uprising and took over the Saito castle at Mount Inaba."

Next up for KUroda Kanbei... Nothing really of note looks up from his bio to my eyes either.

Now as for truly good strategists.... Date Masamune, Shimazu Yoshihiro too name a couple. Also Oda Nobunaga.

Shall we not forget that Nobunaga paved the way for the regimes that came around (Both of which served him originally)

[Blue Faced Beast]

Now as for truly good strategists.... Date Masamune, Shimazu Yoshihiro too name a couple.

Um..WHY? What makes them so great in your opinion?

[endofdays]

Um..WHY? What makes them so great in your opinion?

Date Masamune was known as a genius. http://wiki.samurai-archives.com/index.php?title=Date_Masamune
Shimazu Yoshihiro now true wasn't truly a strategist... http://wiki.samurai-archives.com/index.php?title=Shimazu_Yoshihiro I included him only for one reason "Okehazama of Kyushu".

[Blue Faced Beast]

Well...I asked for your opinion...not a link...but whatever.

[endofdays]

That is showing you the reasons for why I based my opinion the way I did.

Date Masamune... The one-eyed dragon was very respected as a renowned general. His tactics and strategies were unique and gained him a place of fame. I will say one such time he used a small tactic to attempt to make people fight harder... "His somewhat unusual and at times controversial manner of doing things was best demonstrated by an incident that occurred during the 1615 siege. Evidently, Masamune became frustrated at the lack of aggression on the part of friendly troops under Jinbo Sukemochi, and ordered his own men to let off a few rifle volleys in their direction to goad them into action".

Shimazu Yoshihiro... A veteran of 52 battles, he lived to be about... 84 if my quick math is working still. Also for a quick addition "At Kizakihara in 1572, 300 men under Yoshihiro defeated Itô Yoshisuke's 3000 in what is sometimes called the "Okehazama of Kyushu"."