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[taishi ci 1]

i think honda was the better warrior what do you think

[Tan_Binrui]

That's pretty simple... Honda.

He was involved in more battles than Guan Yu was, and came out without a scratch.

[Lord of Wei]

These kind of topics are so dumb >_>.

1) Both of them lived in different era.
2) Guan Yu was from China and Tadakatsu from Japan. Different cultures, different ways.

This topic is most likely going to become a debate between those two and that's when this topic becomes ridiculous  .

[Tan_Binrui]

These kind of topics are so dumb >_>.

1) Both of them lived in different era.
2) Guan Yu was from China and Tadakatsu from Japan. Different cultures, different ways.

This topic is most likely going to become a debate between those two and that's when this topic becomes ridiculous  .

A difference of era does not inflict courage. A difference of coutnries does not determine skill.

For all accounts and purposes, should they be in the same situations, Honda would be more successful in fighting than Guan Yu was. Both made their ventures into open warfare, but while Guan Yu's only couragous charge came at the gain of Yan Liang's head, Honda was constantly apart of frontline warefare, and never took a hit. Ever.

This is already stumbing Guan Yu, who took arrow wounds on his only other frontline ventures.

[Lord of Wei]

For all accounts and purposes, should they be in the same situations, Honda would be more successful in fighting than Guan Yu was

Oh jeez... I would so like to know how you came to conclusion like that >_>.

Did those two ever meet each other? No wait, did they even live at the same time in the same place? Uhh... I don't think so. And more importantly: No one can't say for sure.

So yeah... debating about things like this is quite ridiculous. The differences between Sengoku and Sangoku characters are just too big. Pretty much same thing like comparing ancient Roman legions and modern military army  .

[taishi ci 1]

anyways because some one is not in the same time zone do not make there skills unknown. bruce lee is not in our time do that mean we cant tell if his fighting skills is better then yours. be smart my friend be smart

[Tan_Binrui]

Oh jeez... I would so like to know how you came to conclusion like that >_>.

Did those two ever meet each other? No wait, did they even live at the same time in the same place? Uhh... I don't think so. And more importantly: No one can't say for sure.

So yeah... debating about things like this is quite ridiculous. The differences between Sengoku and Sangoku characters are just too big. Pretty much same thing like comparing ancient Roman legions and modern military army  .

The question wasn't wether Guan Yu would beat Tadakatsu Honda in a duel. The question wasn't whether the two would be commanding their respective time-zone armies together. You, sir, are taking the question out of the original context.

The question was: "Who do you think was the better warrior?"

NOT: "Who do you think would win in a duel?"
OR: "Who do you think would win if they fought with armies?"

Simply as stated before.

Therefore, any comparison that is made based on the exploits they have had is a perfectly fair assumption. Perhaps not correct, but, then again, nobody arguing about a fictional competition should never believe they are "right".

[looknohands]

I'll venture into this subject by stating that Honda was the better GENERAL, whereas Guan Yu was probably the better WARRIOR.  Why?  Well, Honda didn't seem to fight in all that many (if any) personal duels, unlike Guan Yu.  Honda's value seemed to lay within his ability to lead men.

[Tan_Binrui]

I'll venture into this subject by stating that Honda was the better GENERAL, whereas Guan Yu was probably the better WARRIOR.  Why?  Well, Honda didn't seem to fight in all that many (if any) personal duels, unlike Guan Yu.  Honda's value seemed to lay within his ability to lead men.

How many personal duels did Guan Yu really involve himself in? He ran up and killed a Yan Liang who didn't defend himself. And...

Oh wait... that's it. At least, historically that's it. But the novel makes him a lot better than he actually was.

[Yanos_Audren]

Guan Yu did chop up a large bunch of people in his time, but what did Tadekatsu actully do? he just keeps on saying he is invinsible.

[azn099]

IMO Tadakatsu Honda was far better than Guan Yu. Honda was a pretty good general and was noted for his exception fighting skills in many tales and legends. He was a prized general of the Tokugawa. He served in numerous battles and campains and proved his worth time and time again.

Guan Yu hardly won any battles and had a reputation for having a short fuse and beating his officers. Which would eventually lead to their desertion, and his execution by Lu Meng. He was somehow still liked by Liu Bei and is worshipped as the God of War in Chinese culture... He was noted for being a good fighter in many legends and tales like Honda though.

As a general, Honda is much better than Guan Yu. His battle record is better and his number of accomplishments are longer. As a warrior, IMO they both seem to be powerful. They both are adorned with numerous legends and tales of their bravery and their skill in battle. They both have weapons that are famous and well known. IMO they both were equal warriors.

[hidemasa]

it is quite obvious Tadakatsu was better i mean Tadakatsu usually won battles and hardly came out with a scratch and Guan Yu lost quite a few battles because he was reckless i bet the only few he did respect was his sons his and his brothers

[kaldo]

Oh jeez... I would so like to know how you came to conclusion like that >_>.

Did those two ever meet each other? No wait, did they even live at the same time in the same place? Uhh... I don't think so. And more importantly: No one can't say for sure.

So yeah... debating about things like this is quite ridiculous. The differences between Sengoku and Sangoku characters are just too big. Pretty much same thing like comparing ancient Roman legions and modern military army  .

That quote you were replying too, by Tan Binrui, it is pretty obvious that he was giving you a hypothetical situation, there was not much point in stating that the two never met.

As for my opinion, I believe that Tadakatsu was the more accomplished general, just the psychological impact his presence would have had was a great advantage. Both men were highly valued, but as it has been mentioned earlier, you only have to look at the succes of the Tokugawa compared to the succes of Shu( that is in comparison to the other armies of their time, NOT in comparison to each other).
Also as I have stated in another topic, when looking at the history of these two times it is hard to get the truth, both being such religious and superstitious time periods, myths and legends normally corrupt the actual events and history, for example I find it very hard to believe that Tadakatsu could go through so many battles without recieveing a single wound, also it is likely that Guan Yu's lable of "God of War" has been blown out of proportion. Tadakatsu was alive 400 years ago opposed to Guan Yu living 1800 ago, thus you would think that the history on Tadakatsu would be far more accurate, as it has not had as much time for the myths and legends to snowball.

[azn099]

Tadakatsu was alive 400 years ago opposed to Guan Yu living 1800 ago, thus you would think that the history on Tadakatsu would be far more accurate, as it has not had as much time for the myths and legends to snowball.

Many officers during the ROTK had historical biographies written about them. Historians have collected all of them and put them into a book called Sanguozhi (SGZ). This SGZ contains facts about the officers, and I would say 90% of the stuff is true. In these SGZ's nothing is blown out of proportion and it is all realistic. These were biographies written about them.

In the Sengoku period, several collectors wrote biographies of officers at the time. Some of these biographies have conflicting views like ones of Nobunaga and Ieyasu. But for Tadakatsu his biography is pretty straight-forward and true. Since everyone viewed him as a great warrior and hero, many of the biographies share very similar information.

I would not say the Sengoku biographies were far more accurate than the SGZ biographies. Both had accurate factual information in them.

Based on that information and using those sources, it is possible to compare both generals by their accomplishments by factual information. Basing it on skill in battle is a different story though. That all comes down to opinion. You can base any generals or commanders by accomplishments but skill in battle is hard to determine.

[Sephiroth93]

I know this is off topic but, if Tadakatsu was never harmed in a single battle then he would be compared to Zhao Yun right. Not in strength but both of them never sustained an injury in battle.