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« Reply #240 on: March 26, 2009, 10:45:02 am »

Mori Terumoto would have been better off following his gut and joining Ieyasu.  Instead, he chose poorly and paid for it.
First off, Ieyasu was the most powerful daimyo at this point, with Terumoto coming in second.
Second, Kikkawa Hiroie -an officer under Terumoto- was the reason the Mori didn't arrive in time.  He was actually conspiring with Ieyasu, and was under the impression that Terumoto would go along with his plan and be rewarded for it.
As this demonstrates, Terumoto was hardly a wonderful leader (seemingly unable to decide who he wanted to side with cost him everything) and it's doubtful that the Mori would have been able to expand much further under his leadership...
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« Reply #241 on: May 09, 2009, 02:07:56 pm »

I'm not a big liker of Ieyasu but I would join the Eastern Side because Ieyasu has governing experience.
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« Reply #242 on: August 03, 2009, 04:20:09 pm »

East. The East had a good and strong army. Besides that, one guy is all it takes to win my vote. Tadakatsu Honda, nough' said/typed.
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« Reply #243 on: September 01, 2009, 02:55:39 am »

if West is Ishida ,Sanada and Naoe  I would serve them
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« Reply #244 on: September 06, 2009, 12:45:22 am »

Mori Terumoto would have been better off following his gut and joining Ieyasu.  Instead, he chose poorly and paid for it.
First off, Ieyasu was the most powerful daimyo at this point, with Terumoto coming in second.
Second, Kikkawa Hiroie -an officer under Terumoto- was the reason the Mori didn't arrive in time.  He was actually conspiring with Ieyasu, and was under the impression that Terumoto would go along with his plan and be rewarded for it.
As this demonstrates, Terumoto was hardly a wonderful leader (seemingly unable to decide who he wanted to side with cost him everything) and it's doubtful that the Mori would have been able to expand much further under his leadership...

   So? Look at Hidetada. NO leading experience what so ever. Yet he ammassed a large army, and almost defeated and killed Ieyasu.

   He could of put his troops under that of Yukimura Sanada, or Kanetsugu Naoie, or any of those great commanders. With just him and his troops showing up, they could of changed the tide of battle.
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« Reply #245 on: September 06, 2009, 08:00:02 am »

Yukimura wasn't even at Sekigahara- he was holding up Ieyasu's son at the Sanada castle.
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« Reply #246 on: September 06, 2009, 04:27:23 pm »

   Was that not Yukimura's father? I have always read that it was Masayuki and not Yukimura keeping Ieyasu's son.
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« Reply #247 on: September 06, 2009, 09:08:25 pm »

He helped his father, Masayuki, in the defense of Ueda Castle; this is actually where he really made a name for himself.
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« Reply #248 on: September 08, 2009, 02:29:56 pm »

He helped his father, Masayuki, in the defense of Ueda Castle; this is actually where he really made a name for himself.

   Even so. He had many other capable officers. If he would of showed up with his troops, they could of easily won, with troops alone. At the time, the Mori could easily draft the most troops in all of Japan. (Or somewhere close to the most)
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« Reply #249 on: September 08, 2009, 05:38:15 pm »

Ahhh...but Ieyasu saw to it that the Mori were reduced to a largely bystander role. Wink
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« Reply #250 on: October 31, 2009, 11:55:42 am »

I would like you join the Western Army. Ieyasu was too flamboyant in his show of power, and his policies cut Japan's contact with the rest of the world, which hurt it when the rest of the world was way more advanced than Japan. The West wasn't trying to take control as so much as stop Ieyasu, which I would appreciate. Not saying everyone in the West was honorable, look at what happened to Gracia Hosokawa for that proof, but they were halting Ieyasu's grab for domination.
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« Reply #251 on: November 01, 2009, 05:32:29 am »

I think that they (W.A)wanted the rightful successor to become the ruler of Japan,not a fat toad as dong zhuo said in WO2
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« Reply #252 on: November 04, 2009, 07:02:53 pm »

My loyalty would  be to whatever side the Uesugi was on. Grin  I think West was it not.
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« Reply #253 on: November 06, 2009, 05:20:50 pm »

My loyalty would  be to whatever side the Uesugi was on. Grin  I think West was it not.
The Uesugi switched. They started for the Western Faction, but latter turned to  the east.
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« Reply #254 on: November 07, 2009, 01:55:41 pm »

who were the last Loyal to Western Army(I Mean who left and not retreat or switch sides)
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