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« on: August 29, 2010, 11:04:07 pm »

this might not be the perfect place for this topic but I didn't find any appropriate place for it . I have recently (when I was looking for hints on some of koei games ) noticed that most of the famous sites that include everything about any game (like gamespot) hate most of koei games and say bad things about them  Shocked Sad Cry . for exaple they said on warriors orochi 2 that its voices r so noisy and they said about samurai warriors 2 (PC) bad date for a game and it's not a pc game , while there r so many games from other companies that I don't c that they r great games but these sites give them about 8 or 9 from 10 in the rating . so why do they hate koei games like that  Huh Lips Sealed
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2010, 09:22:51 am »

Koei games are not mainstream and do not attract that much audience. Also adding the fact that Koei targets Japan first and utmost. Europe and Amreica are targeted second I believe. The games are not that bad but the acting really does need to kick it up. However you get used it if your a Koei fan.

Basically Koei games aren't that really attracting a mainstream audience. They attract few people in Europe and the US. Either sites consider that point and review it or there's something else to it.

(Its like, FIFA series are a hit in Europe whilst DW series are a hit in Japan)
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 10:10:36 am »

because not most people know about this game since koei doesent do tv adverts, only magazines, and my m8 said he saw a DW4 hyper add in a  magazine LOL
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2010, 06:53:53 pm »

A lot of critics who aren't KOEI fanatics aren't so because, whether admitted or not, the style of the Warriors games are easily susceptible to criticisms attacking their repetitive play style. In essence all you need to do to win is press this button, then that button, then the first one again twice, then the second one, then the button for the musou attack.

The thoughts on voice acting are just pure opinions. There are plenty people I know who don't find things wrong with it.

As I understand it, there are other hack n' slash games, but they break the tediousness up and actually mix up the formula. Also various reviews take into account how between the many iterations of the Warriors formula, not much changes to innovate gameplay.
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2010, 08:21:09 pm »

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Also various reviews take into account how between the many iterations of the Warriors formula, not much changes to innovate gameplay.
its really BS when reviews do that. Its hipocritical. Look at the madden series, and most sports series. Its the same thing- the same game re-released each year with a different year on it but with same gameplay as all the other ones, yet in the reviews they give those games high scores! Argh
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2010, 12:44:38 pm »

its really BS when reviews do that. Its hipocritical. Look at the madden series, and most sports series. Its the same thing- the same game re-released each year with a different year on it but with same gameplay as all the other ones, yet in the reviews they give those games high scores! Argh
I think I know enough about Madden to talk about it, and the series usually adds some/many gamechanging features to the structure with each incarnation. Most sports games also require more strategy and brain than Dynasty Warriors as well, hence why the Warriors franchise is usually criticized as "mindless, repetitive slop".

The word you're looking for is 'unfair' rather than 'hypocritical'.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2010, 12:46:46 am »

ok maybe some of ur opinions r right . but look , devil kings took 7.5 (good) rating while warriors orochi 2 took 4.5 (poor) . doesn't devil kings also has the same (warriors) gameplay ?!  (I'm not saying that devil kings is not a good game , I have it and it's a great 1)
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2010, 05:19:25 am »

The game press don't and never has hated koei games, if the game is good enough it will get a decent score: Crimson Sea games both getting 7.5 or so, same with Dynasty Tactics games, the early DW's, Gitaroo Man got in the high 8's, the three Kessen's got 7.5 type scores, Romance of the Three Kingdoms have tended to get good scores, Saiyuki: Journey West got decent scores way back in 2001, the early Samurai Warriors more recently. The original DW Empires didn't review badly I think?

If a series is getting bad scores across many sources then something is most likely wrong with the series.

As I understand it, there are other hack n' slash games, but they break the tediousness up and actually mix up the formula. Also various reviews take into account how between the many iterations of the Warriors formula, not much changes to innovate gameplay.

That is some of the reasons why reviewers give low scores. The image that Empires and XL are mostly there to gain more cash

DW3 got good reviews because it was a good game, it took a significant enough step from 2 to be worth getting, the gameplay was fun and fresh, the graphics were fairly good, the battles felt epic. Koei has had some good idea's for the series since (destiny mode, kingdom mode for DW4) but hasn't fixed the ageing graphics, allowed other games to surpass the gameplay of DW, by including so many characters the quality of story and characters has gone down when storyline standards are getting better elsewhere. DW stagnated and resorted to tricks while others kept improving so it gets poor scores. Rather depressing was that the first SW was fresh, had new idea's and gameplay that kept being entertaining and was everything DW once was and should have been.

Koei have done successful and constantly improving series, as have other companies, DW isn't one of them.
 
its really BS when reviews do that. Its hipocritical. Look at the madden series, and most sports series. Its the same thing- the same game re-released each year with a different year on it but with same gameplay as all the other ones, yet in the reviews they give those games high scores! Argh

Not really. I mean it helps that game reviewers for sports games tend to be the one that understand the rules and the subtleties of the game obviously. As a football/soccer fan, I play either Fifa or PES depending on which is better and there are significant difference in terms of gameplay and options (not always for the better, in which case scores go down), from the year before. Thought the same of NHL games when I used to play them and I don't even like hockey

DW does tweaks that can't hide the failings and failed to fix the system when it struggling. Kessen, DT and RTK got good scores because it renovated, because while the basics might remain the same, it kept things fresh and kept improving. They get high scores, as do sports games when the sports games keep improving

When the sport games stagnate, they got lower scores. Just like DW. Hardly hypocrisy to point out that a game is stale then praise a game that is an improvement on the year before

ok maybe some of ur opinions r right . but look , devil kings took 7.5 (good) rating while warriors orochi 2 took 4.5 (poor) . doesn't devil kings also has the same (warriors) gameplay ?!  (I'm not saying that devil kings is not a good game , I have it and it's a great 1)
 

the standards of 2006 may not be the same as the standards of 2008, having played neither I can't comment any further then that
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