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[Azumazi]

over a billion Chinese citizens is probably market enough for Koei.

Actually it has nothing to do with numbers, but ease of translation, and target audience. Especially since out of that 1.3billion, only 200 million are in their target financial group to even be able to afford the system/games in the first place.

Oh the ease of translation, they don't have to change a lot of the system to translate from Kanji/Katakana/Hiragana into Simplified and Traditional Chinese Kana for export. Their languages are much easier to translate and takes little time compared to a US and Euro release since they have to redesign the Hud interface and many other options you don't think about.

Also KOEI in the past has always said they will target Japan first and foremost on all games before other nations. As they feel they have a loyalty to their nation first and foremost for their products. It has been this way since 1994, and it isn't unlike many companies across the world to lean to a certain group over another and or nation before another.

[Dragon Master]

and keep in mind trying to project what you're going to do in 5 years is really, really difficult much less 20 years.

there is also ROTK touch for goodness sakes - which is at least something. i haven't played it yet, but it's on the iPad now and may be a whole lot of fun.

Dude, seriously, there is NO excuse from Koei not to have a RTK or NA release on the next gen (Xbox 360/PS3) consoles here in the North American market.  People complain that it takes time to translate.  What a crock.  If that was the case, why is Koei able to translate and release DW titles every other 2 weeks.  It seems like they are translating the DW titles into english just fine.

Second, I'm not buying no stinking iPad touch to play ROTK.  And you should not either.

[Humble Hero]

Actually, the "excuse" is it would be a poor business decision to release a ROTK on the next gen consoles, when you could be making DWs, a substantially more popular series among consoles gamers.

Dont get me wrong, I want my ROTK, but we dont all get what we want.

[Dragon Master]

Actually, the "excuse" is it would be a poor business decision to release a ROTK on the next gen consoles, when you could be making DWs, a substantially more popular series among consoles gamers.

Dont get me wrong, I want my ROTK, but we dont all get what we want.

Actually, it would be a smart business decision to release RTK on next gen consoles here in North America.  Why?  Because there is a market here for RTK you nerf ball.  I actually have a thread on this topic but allow me to educate you.

The same people who play Command & Conquer, Civilization, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age, and any other turned based strategy game or RPG where you use your brain IS the target market for Koei turned based strategy games.  Dragon Age, Mass Effect 2, etc. game owners have turned base games such as C & C and Civilization in their game library as as well.

To sum it up, this existing market of gamers (thinkers) would grab up RTK or NA for the next gen consoles.

There you go genius.  NO EXCUSES!!!

As loyal Koei fans and long time players of RTK and NA, we should get "what we want" from Koei.  And we want an RTK/NA on next gen consoles in the North American Market.

[Nick]

Actually, it would be a smart business decision to release RTK on next gen consoles here in North America.  Why?  Because there is a market here for RTK you nerf ball.  I actually have a thread on this topic but allow me to educate you.

The same people who play Command & Conquer, Civilization, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age, and any other turned based strategy game or RPG where you use your brain IS the target market for Koei turned based strategy games.  Dragon Age, Mass Effect 2, etc. game owners have turned base games such as C & C and Civilization in their game library as as well.

To sum it up, this existing market of gamers (thinkers) would grab up RTK or NA for the next gen consoles.

There you go genius.  NO EXCUSES!!!

As loyal Koei fans and long time players of RTK and NA, we should get "what we want" from Koei.  And we want an RTK/NA on next gen consoles in the North American Market.

You're not looking at the numbers at all.  Romance of the Three Kingdoms has never sold more than 10 million copies, throughout the entire series, in all of America.  Each individual games sells at least half that, by itself, in Asia.  Google the sales figures yourself.  It isn't worth it at all for KOEI.

[Dragon Master]

You're not looking at the numbers at all.  Romance of the Three Kingdoms has never sold more than 10 million copies, throughout the entire series, in all of America.  Each individual games sells at least half that, by itself, in Asia.  Google the sales figures yourself.  It isn't worth it at all for KOEI.

Nick.  What planet are you living on?  You say it is not worth it for Koei to release ROTK on the next gen consoles in the North American market.  They have already released several on the PS2 here in North America and recently.  

It is worth it to the hardcore fans of ROTK to get a version of it on the next gen consoles.  Your comments put you against the majority of the community here that wants a ROTK title on the next gen consoles.

ROTK and Nobunaga's Ambition is what made Koei great in the first place.  You seem to have forgotten that along with Koei.  Your comments are an insult to us loyal ROTK fans.  You prove yourself to be nothing but a rank and file forum hack.

We loyal fans deserve a ROTK on next gen, no matter what you say!

[Dragon Master]

Yeah......they really need to hurry up and make the next ROTK. I rather see that then DW 7.

Well guess what Lord of Dreams.  Nick thinks we should not have a ROTK on next gen consoles.  I am sure he wants Koei to keep kicking out DW endlessly.  What a let down Nick is after all his years here on the Koei forum.  He is TOTALLY against us ROTK fans that want to have it on the Xbox 360/PS3.

What a shame he is. This forum and community should be about everyone working together to get what we want from Koei and making the products better.  Nick, however, does not want what is in our best interest or Koei's.

[Humble Hero]

I'm sorry, but saying Nick is from another planet and stating that you represent the majority does nothing to refute what I've said.

Mass Effect 2, Dargon Age, AND C & C are all different from ROTK. ROTK = TBS. C & C = RTS, Dragon Age and Mass Effect are blends of RT/TB RPGs. EVEN IF your logic that everyone who owns a copy of these games bought ROTK, get this... ALL those games are on the PC. PC gamers =/= console gamers. Therefore, by releasing the game on a next gen console, they limit their market, as not all PC gamers also have access to next gen consoles. <--- There you go, "genius." Excuses.

Let me bring something to your attention though, "Nerf Ball." First and foremost, just because you like something or want something, doesn't mean half a million North Americans want it (the number we need to beat for Koei to find it profitable to sell to us).
Secondly, seeing your other posts, I've noted presenting logical or well structured arguments doesnt seem to mean much to you, so I'll put it to you like this. Find me ONE other forum member who says you are "his champion" or that your voice "represents his."

Also, because you cannot refute this post with logic, do not resort to a personal attack as you did to Nick in your previous post (one I would delete ASAP, were I you) because I guarantee you nothing good will come of it. You need to rethink your posting strategy and reevaluate the way you conduct yourself here, otherwise I don't think I'll need to debate you for much longer.

[Dragon Master]

To Humble Hero,

Sure bub.  Whatever you say!   

[Nick]

Nick.  What planet are you living on?  You say it is not worth it for Koei to release ROTK on the next gen consoles in the North American market.  They have already released several on the PS2 here in North America and recently.  

Did you look at the sales numbers for those games?  They are considered failures.  This isn't because they are bad games.  This is because no one buys them, outside of its loyal fans.  Having said that, I own 8 out of 11 ROTK games... so I'm one of those loyal fans.

We loyal fans deserve a ROTK on next gen, no matter what you say!

Let me be perfectly clear.  I would love to see more ROTK games.  I would love for KOEI to start caring about the States more than they do.  Just because I want that, however, doesn't mean that I am willing to blame KOEI.  The states just don't buy enough KOEI games to make it worth it for them, other than the Warrior games primarily.  Before you blindly argue against me, find numbers and facts to support yourself.

Your comments put you against the majority of the community here that wants a ROTK title on the next gen consoles.

Numbers... look at the numbers.  For this forum, if you look at the stats, it is clear that the majority of people are here for Warriors.

Nick thinks we should not have a ROTK on next gen consoles.

Honestly now.. did I ever say anything close to that?

[Dragon Master]

To Nick,

There may be some truth to what you say.  However, I believe there is a market here. It appears me and you can go back and forth on that issue all day.  Maybe its in our best interest not to.  

I have owned several ROTK titles as well.  My first was ROTK 2 on the SNES.  I have been hooked ever since.  Last ROTK I played was 9.  ROTK 9 was my favorite.

Point being, I have a xbox 360 now.  I believe most people on this forum have upgraded also to either a xbox 360/PS3/Wii.  I no longer have my PS2 as I upgraded to a HD console.  I just think it's disappointing not to be able to play ROTK on my HD console.  I like DW.  But I miss playing ROTK a lot!

[Nick]

well hey there.. we agree then. lol.

I wonder what sorts of possibilities there are for trying to increase the interest in these games.  Perhaps KOEI members could start a viral advertisement campaign to increase interest in Three Kingdoms?

[Imyourbaka]

NEVER ever would work. Viral Campaigns that try to make people learn are failures and a waste of effort. What Koei is probaly doing is, they are probaly trying to rack up capital to open up a better and bigger Euro/States market after merging with Tecmo. Cmon, HQ stationed in Canada 0,0? Their doing the best they can in this economy. Think if they didn't merge with TEcmo. Both companies would of ran out of buisness Faster. Now that they did, wouldn't that bring company stability for a while? Since Tecmo and Koei merged, wouldn't they have a better percentage of customers in the states? Thing is, you need to learn how to use your head and think about why they can't release a game into the states. Again, No source, No proof. What Koei should do is think of a way to advertise effectively to the right people.

[Dragon Master]

well hey there.. we agree then. lol.

I wonder what sorts of possibilities there are for trying to increase the interest in these games.  Perhaps KOEI members could start a viral advertisement campaign to increase interest in Three Kingdoms?

Well, we could go door to door with flyers?

[The Strategist]

Dynasty Warriors 7 is set for release in March, with concept art and new looks for some of the characters already released.

http://ps3.ign.com/objects/086/086626.html

In the mean time, all we ROTK fans have gotten was ROTK 11 on PC, but no power up kit, that for whatever reason Koei refuses to translate and sell to us. Don't get me wrong I like DW, and I'm curious as to what they'll do for Dynasty Warriors 7 Empires but is it too much to ask for a little more love for Romance of the Three Kingdoms series, we haven't hear a single word on what we should expect in terms of possible changes in game play.