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Re: The most heinous act of The Three Kingdoms
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They seem to have assumed that, since Liu Bei's evil plots have been discovered, that Liu Bei is now going home.
Liu Bei was a cautious man and seems to have felt he needed to gain public support first, a surprise attack and killing off Liu Zhang might turn the people against him.
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really though Shu Fan, it was Sun Ce that returned it and also it was only given to Yuan Shu for troops. Just enough for a invasion of Jain Ye, also Sun Ce was prepared to take it back when he had enough power. Though stated by Shu Fan he was a political dunce.
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Quote from: He Xing on May 18, 2010, 03:34:33 pm
really though Shu Fan, it was Sun Ce that returned it and also it was only given to Yuan Shu for troops. Just enough for a invasion of Jain Ye, also Sun Ce was prepared to take it back when he had enough power. Though stated by Shu Fan he was a political dunce.
Sun Ce never had the seal. When Sun Jian found it, he gave it to Yuan Shu.
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never mind then.
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Re: The most heinous act of The Three Kingdoms
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Quote from: Yue Fei on May 18, 2010, 05:15:23 pm
Sun Ce never had the seal. When Sun Jian found it, he gave it to Yuan Shu.
If Sun Jian found there. There is a theory that Yuan Shu simply made one before declaring himself emperor and claimed that Jian had found it while he was still alive.
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Is Yuan Shu not sending supplies to Jian book or history during the Dong campaign.
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Book, I believe. The zztj, however, states:
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Yuan Shu had sent Sun Jian to attack Dong Zhuo, but before he returned Yuan Shao had appointed Zhou Ang of Kuaiji as Inspector of Yu province. Zhou Ang attacked Sun Jian's camp at Yangcheng and captured it.50
Sun Jian sighed and said, "Together we raised loyal troops to save the
nation. Now the rebels and bandits are almost destroyed, and yet each can
act like this. Whom can I work with?" He led his men against Zhou Ang and
put him to flight.
Interesting to note that this scenario also seems to have set off the Shao-Zan feud, as Yuan Shu had sent Gongsun Yue to aid in the attack against Zhou Ang. Yue was killed, and Zan blamed Shao for it.
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Quote from: He Xing on May 19, 2010, 03:54:48 pm
Is Yuan Shu not sending supplies to Jian book or history during the Dong campaign.
History but Yuan Shu possibly had good reason to do so and it was settled without problem
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What was his reason.
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Quote from: He Xing on May 20, 2010, 04:29:19 pm
What was his reason.
Dong had sent envoys to Sun Jian and Jian had received them then let them go freely.
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Quote from: Ma Su on May 20, 2010, 11:44:30 pm
Dong had sent envoys to Sun Jian and Jian had received them then let them go freely.
when both Yuan Shu and Yuan Shao made a habit of killing them.
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Where they the envoys who were trying to get Sun Jian to marry Dong's daughter or something like that.
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Yes and led by one of Dong's generals, Li Jue
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