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[alilsketchy]

Well I for one am glad the removal of Mushashi and Sasaki were made. This gives space for characters that can help the story lines. Kunoichi she a great character but is fictional when you can have an actual kunoichi in the game who served the Takeda. I once had a list of possible characters for SW series and now I'm thinking on the fourth edition of the series they should call it SW: Rebirth. Restart the series and put in characters that can help drive the story of the Sengoku Jidai. For example have Sanada family in the game Yukimura, Nobuyuki, and Masayuki. (I think I got there names wrong) Anyways certain ppl that are not in the current line up could help improve the story line of this game.

I disagree on these parts:

1. Musashi and Sasaki shouldn't be removed. I do see them more like free-mode characters though.
2. Even though she is fictional, Kunoichi expands Yukimura's story more, especially on her part. She gives him more character development.

[Scorpion]

I disagree on these parts:

1. Musashi and Sasaki shouldn't be removed. I do see them more like free-mode characters though.
2. Even though she is fictional, Kunoichi expands Yukimura's story more, especially on her part. She gives him more character development.

Well I did not like having any of these characters in the game. I rather see characters I believe can improve the stories. For one if Koei added Yukimura father, and older brother along with his wife Inahime it will improve his story that much more also the father would be the rightful person by the side of Shingen Takeda. The gameplay to me is fine as is but it all comes down to the story mode can it be intriguing. We all have opinions but no one here can ever really be wrong on their thoughts in the end its Koei Tecmo decision.

[Wolfninja]

My thoughts:

1. Re-add Musashi!  Maybe he's known more as a duelist than a soldier, but he's the legendary great swordsman of Japan and he lived in the period, so that's enough excuse for me.  (Of course, keep expanding your character list, too, and concentrate largely on those who heavily participated in the era, but do bring Musashi back.)

2. Massively expand create-a-warrior mode.  It needs to at least be as good as DW6: Empires (and actually, it is better in some ways already, but not as good in others), but preferably better.  Some suggestions: allow voice morphing (like DW6: Empires...but make sure there aren't glitches where the game ignores the morphing this time), expand the voice list, allow the use of all the main character voices for the CAWs, have a much larger selection of appearance options (look at any given THQ wrestling game (especially Day of Reckoning or Smackdown vs Raw 2009-2011)), have several unique fighting styles not used for any main character (but still allow the main character styles), allow weapon appearance customization, allow selection of special visual effects.  Look to wrestling games, City of Heroes, Freedom Force, Champions Online, etc. for examples.  (Not that the SW3 mode is actively bad or anything, but I'm really tired of seeing CAW mode, loading it up, and finding a really limited selection.  In any game that handles that particularly well--see: most wrestling games--it tends to be by far my favorite mode in the game.  But I'm crazy. ^_^)

3.  Honestly, I'd love it if Koei would make a Warriors game entirely about character customization and even storytelling...you make up your own characters, your own stories...of course, include a default set of stuff too, but I think that'd be fun!  But that's not technically about SW, so I'll shut up about that now.

3a. Okay, I know I said I'd shut up about it, but one more thought: wouldn't it be cool, especially in a game like this (where characters are running around yelling quotes at specified major events, but might not have major dialogue), if you could record your own voice acting for your character?  I mean, sure, I would be awful, but it'd just be great to create the character and have them speak in the way you think they would speak.  I have no idea at all what would be necessary to make this happen, but I would adore the company that made it work. :-)

4. Alternate outfits--not just recoloring, but true alternate outfits.

5. 4-player mode, especially splitscreen.  I understand it might be hard to do, but I love the thought of being able to play 4-player Warriors.

6. If doing Empires, definitely do that Tactical Switch the others were talking about, where you can switch officer to officer.  If I'm playing Empires, the loss of one officer--even under my control--shouldn't cause me to lose the battle.

7. For any--in 2-player mode, when a player is downed, provide a "revival" time limit.  If the ally can get there before time runs out, they can bring the second player back.  (See: Splinter Cell Conviction or darn near any third-person-shooter with co-op.)

8. For any--in 2-player mode, let one player set waypoints for the other which will show on the map (especially in Empires).  This will let a player who is a better strategist guide the others around the map.  (By the way, I love the new "arrow path" shown on the maps!  Great idea.)

9. Bring back the SW1 branching paths.  These were very cool.

[Simikojiromisunari]

some good ideas but the one about 4 player split screen wouldnt that be difficult if you had a small screen 

and number 3 hmmmm wouldnt it be like an empires game i thought the games were based on actually history facts

everything else thumbs up mate 

[Wolfninja]

some good ideas but the one about 4 player split screen wouldnt that be difficult if you had a small screen 

and number 3 hmmmm wouldnt it be like an empires game i thought the games were based on actually history facts

everything else thumbs up mate 

Well, 3 is kind of like an Empires game, sure--I'm just saying I'd like them to take that and go even further with it, allowing the construction of your own stories and characters you could put out on a server for others to play (see: Neverwinter Nights--though that's probably overambitious--Little Big Planet, etc.).  But yeah--I'm not saying they should do the Warriors Custom game as one in the normal series...just that I'd like to see a fully-customizable game with that engine.  I make the same statement about nearly any game that features create-a-warrior/character/etc. mode, because I am a hopeless CAW junkie. 

I do, however, adore the historical characters and action and by no means am I suggesting Koei should give up the main Dynasty and Samurai Warriors series for this!

The 4-player splitscreen would indeed be difficult if you had a small screen.  But some of us do have a large screen. ^_^  And really, the alternatives for 4-player play can also be difficult: for instance, if I want to have my buddies over for some Strikeforce, they'd have to all bring their own console and their own TV...that's heavy, and more importantly, I don't have the space for four consoles and four TVs.  Yes, online play is possible, but the guys and I do still like to meet outside cyberspace and play games sometimes.  But even without doing the splitscreen thing...I just want a 4-player mode in a normal Warriors game, or especially in an Empires one.  I'll put up with the networking consoles or online stuff if I have to--I just want them to move it up to 4 players.  It's a huge battle...there's room. ^_^

Mod Note** No double post

One more note: If they do an expansion, I would also suggest either changing Takenaka Hanbei's appearance or his English voice.  The guy doing his voice does a perfectly fine job acting-wise, but he sounds way too old for that appearance.  Hanbei looks younger than Ranmaru, but sounds at least as old as Yukimura.

It's a little odd that Hanbei was picked to be this game's "kid character."  He was around 23 at the time of the Saito clan's fall, if I'm calculating right.  (Saito fell in 1567, he was born in 1544.)  I honestly don't mind if they want to put a kid character in a game, but I do prefer that the character be one who actually would have been a kid for at least one of the battles! O_O  For instance...just make Ranmaru look a little younger or something (if anyone should look as young as Hanbei looks, it's Ranmaru...he was 17 at Honnoji, and if he participated historically in any of the other battles he's shown participating in, he probably would've been around 12-14 if I've got the dates right).  Don't get me wrong: Hanbei is hilarious and very entertaining.  I just find it odd that they went that route with him.

But the translation guys don't have any control over Hanbei's appearance, so I'd just suggest that they roll with it and just give him a younger-sounding voice in future installments. :-P

[Scorpion]

Wolfninja like some of your ideas.

I in all my ideas would love to see SW, DW, and other warrior type games be one big game. No longer do I want to see Expansion packs I know it helps make extra money but really do think that these expansion packs can be modes for example the Empire pack can be the Empire Mode easily done.

[alilsketchy]

So if they were to port the games to the Xbox 360 and PS3, and omit Musamune Castle mode, then I think New Officer Mode should return.

What should they do?

-Have a basic outfit for the character, and once they progress (depending on which team they join) then they achieve a specific outfit.

For example, Takeda Clan can be provided with either a traditional samurai outfit (Yukimura), or a ninja/kunoichi outfit (Kunoichi). I'm not saying that they should have their clothes. I'm just giving examples or costume classes they could have.

Maybe depending on the class, they could follow someone, like the SW1 characters did with either Yukimura, or Hanzo.

I'm not sure how this will work, but think SC3 on this one. Depending on your personality, different quotes come out during gameplay.

Also depending on your personality (Not sure the choosing, but I know that heroic and evil are two examples), different stories are portrayed, depending on which clan you join.

Hopefully, DLC will be released, including Ninja Gaiden outfits.

[jinkojirodragonmiyamoto]

Magnificent alilsketchy... Simply magnificent. I truly agree with all of your ideas. Yes, this would provide for a much deeper and richer Create-A-Warrior experience.

Koei could tap into the power of Downloadable Content, and start you off with the basics of clothes. Then, I'll say about after a week of two, then Koei could start releasing additional Voices, Clothes, Hairstyles, Faces, Eyes, and Accessories, Via the power of Downloadable Content. By them doing this, this would definitely embrance, enhance, and enrich the Create-A-Warrior aspect which could go down in the history books in being the most well created, and well diversed Create-A-Warrior Mode, to have ever been created in Koei's games.

This would make for a fine replacement indeed.

[alilsketchy]

Definitely,

I got the whole clan idea after playing SW1's New Officer Mode. A part from the training, before you do the two major trainings, you come across the choosing of a clan. For example, Oda, which I chose a lot because it was the easiest.

[Scorpion]

Well I loved the training for your Created Officer it just the story was always the same for which ever clan you chose. That part was just a shame to not have been worked on thoroughly by Koei at that time. I like the ideas both of you came up with for the Created officer mode. I would like to bring back the training but this time have at least 5 different type of stories for the Created officer. For example stories could be the likes of:
1-Unifiers-Follow the unifiers if you choose Oda, Tokugawa, Hideyosho clan.
2-Takeda/Uesugi- Take part of their battles and what not
3- Date- First be an enemy and later join him
4-Mouri- try to keep the mouri in neutral stance defending their domain
5-Ronin/Mercenary- Work with Okuni, Magoichi

Also with Created officer could be added into battles of their clan. More on the bodyguard term or that suprise attacker or something positive. So if they are with Oda you can have them come in if your ally when morale is low or for sneak attacks. If enemies will come face you if you reach a certain area before fighting the general ie Shingen. So much can be done for the Created officer mode.

[jinkojirodragonmiyamoto]

Scorpion? Bro that is genius. Yes, I was also alittle on the downside that Koei didn't really put alittle more effect into the whole having a different story path that your Created Warrior would take. But then again, this was Samurai Warriors One. For me, this game sort of came out of left field. But it was without doubt, very unique.

From the stories that your Created Warrior(s) were involved in, to the weapon and item distribution, to the modes and stages. Still, I would gladly take acceptance of this, replacing Murasame Castle Mode.

[alilsketchy]

Costume Classes are as followed:

Samurai/Onna bugeisha (Armor) (Yukimura, Tadakatsu, Hideyoshi, Maeda clan, Tachibana clan, Nagamasa)
Samurai/Onna bugeisha (Non-Armored) (Ranmaru, Mitsuhide, Kaihime, Nobunaga)
Ninja/Kunoichi (Nene, Kunoichi, Hanzo, Kotaro)
Gunner/Bomber (Magoichi, Date, Goemon, or just give the character his moveset if he doesn't appear again)
Archer (Ina, Mouri, or practically any clan since each clan can have its archer)
Strategist (Mitsunori, or the same as Archer)
Priest/Priestess/Saint (Gracia, Kuroda, Aya)
Entertainer (Okuni, Chosokabe)
Mercenary

Yeah, a huge list of costumes don't you think?

[jinkojirodragonmiyamoto]

You never cease to amaze me alilsketchy. That is a nice sized list no doubt. And, let me just throw in something to that list. Weapon Customization. That's right, I went there. WITH... Color Edit. That way, your Created Warrior, will be unique from head-to-toe. Even the Musou Officers would have to acknowledge such an awesome trend of clothes that your Created Warrior would be wearing.

[alilsketchy]

Oh yeah, one more. The Noh and Oichi-type of class. I'm not sure if it could be implemented as Princess or Lady, because you can be a lady and still wear armor (Ina, for example). Of course they'll wear feminine clothing, but....*thinking*....the story is something I'm looking in more.

Maybe a storyline composed on romance and marriage. I'm not sure who the male counterpart would be though. Probably someone in a samurai armored outfit created by computer.

[jinkojirodragonmiyamoto]

Well let's see if I can help out with a story. If were going from a Samurai Warriors One view point? Then, that would leave two options. First: If you are going down the path of Lady Nohume? That would mean that you would show your loyalty, all the way up until the final stage. Due to Lady Nohume turning on Nobunaga Oda, and trying to kill him. I still don't get that part. But that would be the end result I think. The husband role here, would be to try and kill anyone who dares opposes you.

Now, if your going to go down the path of Lady Oichi? That would mean that you would, (Again) play the role of a loyal wife. And you would support your husband for better or for worser. The husband role here, would be a hero who stands for Honor and Love.

This is just a rough draft for you alilsketchy.